Thursday, 9 September 2004

Attribute Of Power

"power [pow'?r] or [powr], "
noun: the skill, physical ability, opportunity or authority to do something; strength or energy; force or effectiveness; an individual faculty or skill; capacity for producing an effect; the moving force of anything; control or influence exercised over others; right to command, authority; political control; rule; governing office; permission to act; a paper giving authority to act; potentiality; a person or group wielding authority or strong influence; that in which such authority or influence resides; a state influential in international affairs; (a state having) military strength of a specified kind....

"all-pow'erful"
adjective: supremely powerful; omnipotent.

"god [god], "
noun a superhuman being, an object of worship
the Deity: the Deity, God, personal god, Supreme Being, Divine Being, Alpha and Omega.




IF... there is a GOD.
Or not.. just think about a god.
What does a god have to be to be a god?
Can a god be weak? or lacking in something?
Can you, or anyone believe in a weak god, or one that lacks, or is found wanting?

Honestly, I have not found a sane person of maturity, to believe that a god could be a god when weak, lacking or wanting. (I am open to any valid arguments to this statement)

Soo... God has to be powerful, if a god is to be a god. But how powerful? To not be lacking, or wanting or weak, a god would have to be ALL POWERFUL. Meaning, that there is no power like it.



For this reason, there can not be two gods, or 3, or more. If you have two or more, they can not all be ALL POWERFUL can they? You have one world, can they all be ruling it together, would they not have to share, ownership? Lordship? None can be All Powerful, if that power is shared. Ask any Athiest, of sound mature minds, if he were to believe in a God, would it be one or more? A God can not be All Powerful, if there is rivalry, competition, co-ownership, sharing, or equals.
Now for absolute All Powerfulness... What in reality All Powerful means, is not just Power over all else, and more Power than everything put together. But in reality, when given much contemplation, to be All Powerful, means having the only Power, and nothing else has power. So, for God to be All Powerful, means nothing else has power. So, everything else, only has power, cause its power is from God, and that Power can be taken back or changed, manipulated anytime at Will by the All Powerful. Its like, the idea of the SUN. In simplistic symbolic terms. Lets say that our Sun has all the Power, without the Sun, the planets would not be orbiting and revolving about as they are, creating the night and day. Without the Sun, there would not be enough light, warmth and energy for life. Etc, etc. The Source of all Power in this simplistic symbolic sense, is the Sun. So in the same sense, God would have to be All-Powerful, and all Power, its source would have to be from that All-Powerful God.

Now, to go further... you have to think, having power over all things. This takes into consideration, Space, Time, existence, Knowledge, etc, etc. So has to have power over all Time, All Existence, All Knowledge. Cause otherwise, would be lacking. Nothing can be above, independent or able to escape this Power. Everything has to be dependent and relying upon this power, in some way.

Hence reharding SPACE. Does God need SPACE, to exist in? Is he bound by space? Physical or Spiritual? Can God be contained? If a god is to be All Powerful, then that God can not be contained. THUS.. the idea of gods having Forms, or coming down incarnate, like polythiests, of Roman, Greek, Egyptians, etc, etc...
A form, is a shape. A form is finite. A form needs space. A shape is finite, sides, angles, etc, etc. Is God finite? Has he an attribute that is finite? Is this not weakness, a limit, a boundary? So God can not have a FORM, he has a form of no shape, no sides, no angles, no dimensions, cause he can not be measured. A Form of No Form. A God can not be INcarnate or a form then can he? Would that not render him lacking? Weak? Limited? Finite? What purpose can someone think of, for an ALL POWERFUL to have the need of humbling down to Physical form, having the same finite weak attributes as us?

Time..
This is an interesting one. Time, has its own sort of rules. Does this mean that God would be bound by these rules? Would time come before God? How about, that God, coming before time? OR more correctly, (as coming before time, still means within the concept of time, as to say before something, you need it to be in the field of some concept of TIME, to measure that its before something), INDEPENDENT and FREE of time. Thus TIME would also have to be dependent, relying upon and inescapeable of this POWER. Now, we are really getting mind-boggled. We can conceptualise in words just about, however to imagine something outside the realms of time, ... it just doesnt seem to work in our intellects. So we are really edging to the tips of intellectual capacity here.

This address the whole ETERNAL idea. Some people, believe ETERNAL, being within the realms of time, but just limitless or endless, ie having beginning but no end. However, if outside the Realms of time, its more than just ETERNAL. So being Eternally All Powerful, well, its Power that exists outside the Realms of Time. See how Eternally All Powerful is a little confusing, however, Eternal in the sense of such an All Powerful God, would have to have a separate sort of meaning to Eternal to something thats still within the Realms of time.

Now, if Eternally All Powerful, it means that Nothing can ever come near the power of a God. Eternally Never Losing that Power, or Diminishing. All Powerful for EVER. That means, no matter how hard one tries, or many tries, or whatever, anything other than the ALL POWER, can not reach that height. Which ties in nicely with the idea that NOTHING has any Power whatsoever, but the ETERNALLY ALL POWERFUL, and any power that anything else has, has it because the All Powerful granted it, and it can be removed, changed and manipulated by Will of the All Powerful.

Will is another territory (attribute). The Will of an All-Powerful, would have to be absolute Free Will. As this Will, is not bound by time, or any law or rule, or power. The sense of All Willing, Complete Free Will and All-Powerful, are not interdependent, ie. You cant really have one without the other. All Powerful, implies being All Willing and of Complete Free Will.

Knowledge... many have been qouted to have famously have said, Knowledge is Power. Should not the All Powerful, then have to be ALL knowing? And, if Eternally All Powerful, that means, must be Eternally All Knowing. Meaning, that a God can not LEARN, God already KNEW! And again, as how none can come near the MIght of God, none can come to the absolute Knowledge of a God. In this way, .. this is a hard one to swallow and take in.... no one has really any knowledge, apart from that which the All Knowing, All Powerful, has enabled them to have. Has the power to give and take knowledge right? If Eternally All Knowing, then somehow.. all Knowledge must have originated from the Eternally All Knowing. This also fits nicely with the idea of being independent from Time and Above Time. So that Knowledge, is not bound by TIME. The Knowledge came first, then TIME came. That is how ALL KNOWLEDGE can be attained, for if the Knowledge was bound by TIME, how would we understand that KNOWLEDGE to have no beginning and no end, to have never been learnt and to have come from no other source? For if it came from anyother source, it would not be ALL Knowing.

Existence..... im leaving this one for last.. cause its the tricky one to contemplate. You really need to get a true understanding of the word existence. Lets take a look at the dictionary maybe and get back on this one later....

[THIRD DRAFT/EDITION - this happened cause someone actually read this and commented upon this, so I took a look at this after a long while, noticed spelling and grammar mistakes and also added new things
- this discussion carries onto the Attribute of Knowledge]

3 comments:

Mariasha said...

Surely god, if there is one, is powerful. Then surely his one weakness would be power, for a god with no rivals has no need to be humble or modest.

The weakness then is his strength.

prejudice said...

A God with no rivals, .. well what kind of a god is a god that has rivals?
And why would any god need to be humble and modest?
Would not a Creator be the one that has the right over its Creation, thus the Creation is what is meant to be humble and modest. Not the other way round.

So the statement, his strength his weakness, well thats a very simplistic statement to which I object. I mean, if you believe that, I have to question what your concept of God is? Thats what I tried to establish, to discuss. What is a correct concept of God? Cenceptualising logically and intellectually, as if there is a Creator/God, should that God not have created logic and intellect too?
I dont see what angle you are coming from, with the weakness being his strength, other than that you have a contradiction somewhere in your concept of God.

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